I would like to hear what people have to say also. I recently had a driver fitting and got almost the same results. I was around 102 mph head speed with a few higher and a few lower. The monitor said nearly the same thing 230-235 carry. When I go to the course I use my 20* hybrid for that shot. I have also tried a few other drivers but don't seem to hit it any farther than my 905R. None of the newer drivers (non-Titleist) have that great sound so even if I hit one just right it doesn't seem like it goes as far based on the sound alone. I've just about decided to go for a fitting from Titleist and buy a 910 come spring. Do they sound as good as the older Titleists?

Just my two cents worth.

Ron

I am a regional fitter for Titleist and I have seen what you are talking about. When I get people on the trackman they can't believe how much shorter they hit it versus the course. I have a couple of theories: 1. Golfers are never at full flexibility during a fitting. They usually arrive at the time of the fitting and hit 20 shots and off we go. Just like you are not as lose on the first hole versus the fourth. 2. I find golfers do not swing as aggressively on the range as they do on the course.

Launch monitors do not lie. The variable is the golfer. The fitter can only fit by they see.

My suggestion is to arrive at a fitting 20-30 minutes early. Do some stretching and hit a bunch of balls.

I also know exactly what you mean. I have had the same problems myself.  Everything in the launch monitors say 250 260 yrds with a draw, while I take a club to the course and get 270 to 300 with a fade.  I swing more aggressive in the monitors then I do on the course.  I find I can do nothing wrong in the monitors, but on the range is a different story. So I have adopted the method of only looking at the numbers.  I watch backspin, side spin and Launch angle not distance or smash factor.  I don't care what the machine says or the pride factor of what the numbers say in store, they usually produce better results on course.

Launch monitors are great and i deffinetly recomend having one during a fitting. but Now days people are relying to much on the numbers of the machine. If the conditions were dead perfect every time i swing i would be using a 7.5 83 gram X flex. and i would get 320 in carry and maybe 340 after the roll but reality tells me my im more consistant and get a better launch and ball flight from a 8.5 same weight and flex. i can get on monitors all day long and i've hit a 10.5 standart s-flex 310. But reality tells me that i need a club thats workable and had the ball flight i desire. I have an R7 tp x-flex that i bombed three years ago in a long drive compitition 335. On the course with the wind its a horible club couse the wind beats up my shot every time. I went to a 909 D3 8.5 fujikara 7x07 x-stiff couse it gives me the shot i like and i can work. the 7.5 D3 looked better on a monitor but reality is i like the ball fiight of the 8.5 better. Also my average tee shot is 290-300 i dont swing for the fences on every shot. And i've noticed one thing about all the (300)yrd drivers out there its mostly B.S. 90 percent of golfers that claim the drive 300 hundred did it on an elivated tee box with a tail wind. Call me when you do it in to the wind on flat ground.  Launch monitors dont account for the wind. I went to a fitter at a Name brand store and the putt me on the monitor and i was hitting drives 320 that i know were only 280 shots. Ask the fitter when the last time his monitor was callibrated. they probably cant provide proof that its ever been alibrated since leaving the factory.  I had another brand's reagional fitter tell me my 5 iron was producing 12,000 rpm ball spin. best fitting i ever had was from PGA pro's that might use a monitor in the begining but base the majority of the fitting off of customer feed back. what is it you want your ball to do. if its simply just go farther. start checking out products like RAGE or things like that. thats all those clubs do is go far. they arnt accuret or consistant.

Good advice from the fitter on this topic. if your not loose and your waisting your time. if you think your gona get to 300 yards you wont. todays drivers might give you a yard or two gain on average. but its your ball flight and shot shape and consistance you should be going in to the fitting for. Listent to your fitter if there a trusted one. But let him know what your looking for. dont let him tell you what based on numbers alone. convey what you want to get out of your fitting in the beginning and let him get you to that point. But also dont try to out smart the fitter.  

Thank you for the feedback.

I think that the issue may be that while the launch monitor takes accurate recordings of the launch conditions the software that extrapolates that data into carry and roll is not accurate as an individuals data moves away from a normal statistical distribution.  The software on the ping monitor seems to get a more accurate outcome based on the same data as the others.

Some people who play with me say they have never scene anyone hit the ball so low and carry it so far.  Not sure what is unique about my launch conditions but the result does not fit in the center of the bell curve that the software engineers must be using to turn launch conditions into carry and roll outcomes.

What I always tell my clients during a fitting is there is a difference between optimum trajectory and their specific playable trajectory.   Even though the chart says to launch it higher with lower spin, this isn't always in the best interest of the individual.

One important factor not discussed is the variation in shafts. Even high quality expensive shafts will vary. I have made 4 identical copies for a tour player and the numbers were all a bit different but more importantly they performed different. If you hit a driver great at a fitting or demo day, buy that one!

My favorite driver for 3 years broke. the manufacturer replaced it under warranty because the head came apart. The replacement was not even close. Now I have a 909 D3 with the UST ATTAS 1000 6s. I have a monitor but have never checked it. Don't care what the numbers say.

I had a driver fitting yesterday and also got to hit the new 910F. The fitting was done inside on launch monitors and it said the same type of thing. It was showing the 13* fairway wood going as far as the 9.5* 910 D3. I have scheduled another fitting at an outdoor range to see if the numbers match up. I loved both of the clubs, and I am leaning towards Titleist, but I want to make sure that when I get outside the flight and everything is right for what I want in flight. Not just for 8 feet and then a simulation of where the ball is going.

Interesting thread, actually I totally agree with some guys on here, and disagree with one or two, actually machines and launch monitors DO lie, sometimes by accident and poor calibration, sometimes by design. Put two different launch monitors side by side and given all other things being equal, you'll get two sets of results according many variable factors. Use them as an aid and they are fine, but use them as gospel and the results can be as we have experienced on this thread. So use them as a guide and only get fit for clubs outside, where you can see the ballflight, and trust your instincts. Your instincts are a natural confidence builder, so no matter what a machine tells you, if the results are saying otherwise, this will not help your confidence and questions in your head will be asked standing over every shot, that's not good. So NEVER be fit indoors, and ask to take a trial club out on the course for the day, to compare with your existing club. If a fitter won't allow this, walk away guys. Be exacting and find someone who will allow you to try the club on the course. That would be my advice and experience.

Regards to you all.